It took place in my module group - the module being Arts Past and Present, for which we had to study the play Dr. Faustus by Christopher Marlowe. We will also be looking at the Dalai Lama. This morning one of the other students asked what beliefs the rest of us had. The discussion that followed was enlightening to say the least. I reproduce the gist of it here, some of it is direct quoting, some of it is the highlights, I left out the profanities and sarcasm. Please note that questions remain unanswered and the sense of hostility when a person says they believe the bible.
THE OTHERS
Live and let live
Respect the beliefs of
others
Humanism/secularism
Atheist
Don’t criticise those
with other beliefs
Jedi
Religion is
controlling, causes war and is full of paedophiles and get rich quick con
artists, it does more harm than good. Ritual for ritual’s sake.
Religion is intolerant
and prevents people from doing what they want to do
Creation completely
contradicts scientific fact and shouldn’t be allowed in schools
I am a good person and
am polite, well mannered and respectful, compassionate towards others
Treat others as you
want to be treated and do not deliberately hurt others
ME
*Takes a deep breath* I don’t
believe in Religion. BUT I do believe the bible, all of it. And consider myself
a saved or born again Christian. I don’t believe any of us are born as being of
any particular faith - it is a choice we make and should mean that our lives
change. I do believe in the creation theory rather than the evolution theory -
simply because it makes more sense. Evolution isn’t a scientific fact; it is
based mostly on guess work. The evidence can equally be applied to both
theories and in fact the theory of creation is compatible with the second law
of thermodynamics (I know! get me). we homeschooled our children, and when it
came to science I thought I better find out what I believed regarding evolution
since I had always assumed it just kind of fitted in with what the bible says -
not true. the point of communion, speaking as a protestant is to remember what
Christ did on the cross - those are His instructions, do this in remembrance of
me until I come again, we do NOT believe the bread and wine are the actual
flesh and blood but rather symbolic. One last point - interestingly, to me at
any rate, biblical Christianity is the ONLY world religion based solely on what
God has done for us rather than on what we can do for Him.
The difficulty I have with saying 'as long as I am good' - is who defines what
is good? Something that is acceptable to one and seen as good may well be seen
as the exact opposite by others. So, if we are to live 'good lives' who makes
the decisions? It is easy to see that none of us are born 'good' - never had to
teach my kids to be naughty, don’t know about anyone else!
THE OTHERS
Religion is a crutch just like drugs and alcohol. You can't trust any
of them when they have you under their influence....... if
the end users can't be brainwashed into thinking they possess the faith then
religion can't exist
homosexuality is wrong, what about eating pork, mixing fibres, smiting,
God condones slavery and instructs men to treat women like animals; don’t like
being told what to do. Homosexuals can’t enter heaven
ME
O.K., tin hat on and even deeper
breath taken. At no point does the bible condone slavery or that women are to
be treated any differently to men. In fact, quite the opposite. the
instructions that men are given regarding their wives is that they are to be
cherished and beloved, in a loving romantic way, wives are told that their
husbands are to be loved in a respectful way - in my experience this is what
most of us want, whether we are men or women. Men are told to love their wives
as Christ loved the church - which is an amazing thing imho. as for the whole don’t
wear different fabrics etc - that stuff is all part of the ceremonial law,
completed on the Cross and therefore no longer applicable, nothing to do with
the times we live in - which is why unsaved, orthodox Jews still hold with this
kind of thing. The bible doesn’t say that homosexuals can’t enter heaven, what
is says is that sinners can't enter heaven, and, at the end of the day we are
all sinners. It is not a sin to be gay, what is sinful is sexual immorality -
whether that is hetero or homo! interestingly the commandment 'thou shalt not
commit adultery' covers all sexual sin and the Lord Jesus said that even
looking at someone in lustful manner breaks that commandment - so, that is
something that most of us are guilty of I’m sure, whether straight or gay. Biblical
Christianity teaches that ALL of us need Christ to get to heaven; it also
teaches that He accepts ALL of us; it also teaches that we are ALL equal but
have different roles, so the woman is the help meet of the man and the man is the
head of the house and the provider.
THE OTHERS
Heaven will be boring with no pets, who would want to go there. Even if
I got to heaven I would get thrown out. ‘Why is this omnipotent being so engrossd in being worshipped all the
time. Surely he'd be above all that?’
‘There were dinasaurs too, the earth is only 6000 years old lol Sorry
Jools Not taking the p, just don't believe in any of it. Good luck to you if
you do but I think a lot of people are going to be bitterly disappointed when
they draw their final breath.’
ME
I would say more like 8,000 - the
evidence for it being any older is theoretical at best, and there is a lot of
evidence for the existence of dinosaurs alongside mankind. We are created to
want to worship - that is why, with the decline in spirituality, there is so
much other kind of worship going on, we need to fill that void within us. it is
also interesting to note that when any new tribes are discovered they
invariably have some form of worship of a an unknown deity, and in many
cultures there are loads of indications that in ancient times they had
knowledge of the God of the bible - ancient china for e.g.
THE OTHERS
sorry Jools that's just toal bunkum we have evidence of humans going
back hundreds of thousands of years. I'm going to stop now because I might say
something I might regret and I don't want to offend you
ME
Lol, never get offended,
especially online - it’s too easy to misread what people say, so I always read
in neutral. What evidence is there that shows humans have been here for
thousands of years? Many people accept evolution and all that goes with it
without proper investigation and yet have difficulty accepting the bible with
the same premise. Not suggesting anyone here has done that, more of a general
observation.
THE OTHERS
And RE: evolution. I refer you to the principals of animal husbandry
and breeding programmes. No, i'm not going to respond. I'm
outa here. it's getting ridiculous. I'm
with you. When I saw the original post I thought we would get to this stage
quicker. Adieu good people. May the force be with you.
ME
microevolution - no probs with
that, it is clearly seen. macroevolution on the other hand......
And to finish, from me at any
rate.....
Ha, there was I thinking we are
all grownups, that we believe in live and let live and each to their own. Just
goes to show